Comments on: ⇥ Microsoft is and Microsoft does http://blog.tabini.ca/2009/12/microsoft-is-and-microsoft-does/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=microsoft-is-and-microsoft-does Stumbling on since 1997 Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:52:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Christian Weiske http://blog.tabini.ca/2009/12/microsoft-is-and-microsoft-does/comment-page-1/#comment-670 Christian Weiske Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:15:25 +0000 http://blog.tabini.ca/?p=335#comment-670 > Obviously, we can’t solve their problems—but if we don’t even bother finding > out what they are, we are not being good community citizens, either. I do not see Microsoft as part of the community, they are an outsider that tries to embrace again. Thus they don't deserve anything that other "citizens" should and do get. > Obviously, we can’t solve their problems—but if we don’t even bother finding
> out what they are, we are not being good community citizens, either.
I do not see Microsoft as part of the community, they are an outsider that tries to embrace again. Thus they don’t deserve anything that other “citizens” should and do get.

]]> By: Marco Tabini http://blog.tabini.ca/2009/12/microsoft-is-and-microsoft-does/comment-page-1/#comment-667 Marco Tabini Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:30:51 +0000 http://blog.tabini.ca/?p=335#comment-667 Aubrey—not sure that I see your point. First, the SuperPreview is useful even if you just want to compare the rendering of a website on Firefox with the original comp sent to you by the designer. There are demos in the wild that indicate that the same will be possible for Safari as well in a future release, so IE is a small part of the equation. As for inventing problems so that they can create artificial solutions, I won't disagree with you—but they seem to be moving in the right direction :-) Aubrey—not sure that I see your point. First, the SuperPreview is useful even if you just want to compare the rendering of a website on Firefox with the original comp sent to you by the designer. There are demos in the wild that indicate that the same will be possible for Safari as well in a future release, so IE is a small part of the equation.

As for inventing problems so that they can create artificial solutions, I won’t disagree with you—but they seem to be moving in the right direction :-)

]]> By: Aubrey http://blog.tabini.ca/2009/12/microsoft-is-and-microsoft-does/comment-page-1/#comment-665 Aubrey Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:18:57 +0000 http://blog.tabini.ca/?p=335#comment-665 This is all very well and actually makes sense in that if you want to develop a site that does not degrade in any of the Internet Explorer versions, you cannot use CSS3 (or indeed some CSS2) but you can BUY the Microsoft product which is capable of generating all the workarounds. For example, the CSS3 "border-radius" requires a single line of css code to work in all major browsers (Except IE!) but for IE, you either leave it square OR you use anything up to 8 images and probably a "table" structure as well to get it to render properly. VERY CLUNKY!!! Why don't Microsoft simply get their browser W3C compliant and save all the unnecessary overheads. OOPS - FORGOT...... Microsoft has to create a market for products like "Expression Web" and do so by following the same recipe of NOT adhering to standard and forcing their own half baked standards on everyone else. Beware Microsoft, one day you will wipe the arrogance out of your eyes only to find that you have lost the top spot in the browser wars. In my opinion, that day cannot come too soon! This is all very well and actually makes sense in that if you want to develop a site that does not degrade in any of the Internet Explorer versions, you cannot use CSS3 (or indeed some CSS2) but you can BUY the Microsoft product which is capable of generating all the workarounds.
For example, the CSS3 “border-radius” requires a single line of css code to work in all major browsers (Except IE!) but for IE, you either leave it square OR you use anything up to 8 images and probably a “table” structure as well to get it to render properly.
VERY CLUNKY!!!
Why don’t Microsoft simply get their browser W3C compliant and save all the unnecessary overheads.
OOPS – FORGOT…… Microsoft has to create a market for products like “Expression Web” and do so by following the same recipe of NOT adhering to standard and forcing their own half baked standards on everyone else.
Beware Microsoft, one day you will wipe the arrogance out of your eyes only to find that you have lost the top spot in the browser wars.
In my opinion, that day cannot come too soon!

]]> By: Cal Evans http://blog.tabini.ca/2009/12/microsoft-is-and-microsoft-does/comment-page-1/#comment-664 Cal Evans Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:45:22 +0000 http://blog.tabini.ca/?p=335#comment-664 Don Marco, I still say that regardless of their heroic actions internally, I don't care about how hard it is to overcome the legal obstacles inside of MSFT. It's not something I can help with, it's not even something I can appreciate, so don't bother telling me how hard it was or why you can't play by our rules. FWIW, Karri seemed to have no problem in getting a Google group approved for WDS. IMHO, it's actually a great case study in community self-organization and she should point to it whenever MSFTies run into roadblocks as to why they can't do something like this. Other than that, great post as always. =C= Don Marco,

I still say that regardless of their heroic actions internally, I don’t care about how hard it is to overcome the legal obstacles inside of MSFT. It’s not something I can help with, it’s not even something I can appreciate, so don’t bother telling me how hard it was or why you can’t play by our rules.

FWIW, Karri seemed to have no problem in getting a Google group approved for WDS. IMHO, it’s actually a great case study in community self-organization and she should point to it whenever MSFTies run into roadblocks as to why they can’t do something like this.

Other than that, great post as always.

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